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A Russian View on the Soviet pullout of Afgh.
Feb 16th, 2009, 10:58am
 
Here is an interesting Russian view of this 20th anniversary of the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan:
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Reply #1 - Feb 16th, 2009, 11:15am
 
Extremely interesting video, and extremely interesting comments by a man who very obviously knows what he is talking about.  
 
Please pay attention to the last words. He correctly acknowledges that "Afghanistan and Pakistan are inseparable" in this regard. Both countries are part of the same problem - the Pashtunistan issue. Unfortunately, the moderator stops him brings the show to an end.  
 
But this Russian military experts confirms what I have been saying for so many years:  
 
Pashtunistan is the real problem.  
 
Break up Afghanistan and Pakistan, give the Pashtuns their own "Pashtunistan", and create two independent nations to north and south of Pashtunistan: Urdu-speaking Pakistan to the south, Persian-speaking Khorasan to the north, and give also the Baloch people their independent "Balushistan".  
 
That is the ONLY solution. Pashtuns do not want to live with others and they want their own independent country "Pashtunistan". I fully supprot them - they have every right to demand such a nation.  
 
At the same time, do not sacrifice the children of the north for the ambitions of Pashtuns. The people of Khorasan are suffering because of Pashtuns and Pashtunistan. Let them go - tear Afghanistan apart - give everyone the independence and freedom he/she deserves!
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Re: A Russian View on the Soviet pullout of Afgh.
Reply #2 - Feb 16th, 2009, 11:27am
 

Quote from Abu-Sayed on Feb 16th, 2009, 11:15am:

Pashtunistan is the real problem.

 

 
Let me see!
The Russian, the Parchami JKabuli, the seegha/parchami/irani dog are complaining about their zadanwaalaas.
 
Sure, pushuns are not nice with the khaaeneen and the criminals.  
 
Sure WE understand your shared pain  Wink
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Re: A Russian View on the Soviet pullout of Afgh.
Reply #3 - Feb 16th, 2009, 1:02pm
 
Quote from Abu-Sayed on Feb 16th, 2009, 11:15am:
Extremely interesting video, and extremely interesting comments by a man who very obviously knows what he is talking about.

Please pay attention to the last words. He correctly acknowledges that "Afghanistan and Pakistan are inseparable" in this regard. Both countries are part of the same problem - the Pashtunistan issue. Unfortunately, the moderator stops him brings the show to an end.

But this Russian military experts confirms what I have been saying for so many years:

Pashtunistan is the real problem.

Break up Afghanistan and Pakistan, give the Pashtuns their own "Pashtunistan", and create two independent nations to north and south of Pashtunistan: Urdu-speaking Pakistan to the south, Persian-speaking Khorasan to the north, and give also the Baloch people their independent "Balushistan".

That is the ONLY solution. Pashtuns do not want to live with others and they want their own independent country "Pashtunistan". I fully supprot them - they have every right to demand such a nation.

At the same time, do not sacrifice the children of the north for the ambitions of Pashtuns. The people of Khorasan are suffering because of Pashtuns and Pashtunistan. Let them go - tear Afghanistan apart - give everyone the independence and freedom he/she deserves!  

 
 
Dear Abu,
 
The partition of the country may indeed become the last and only solution to our problems.
 
Examine how the Pakistanis have now declared full autonomy to the Talibs in the border areas. Talibistan where the most primitive Sharia law will be forcibly imposed on the people...is now established.
 
We urge all the Pakiboys, the Milleti ethno-fascists and other fundamentalists to leave our country and go back home.
 
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Re: A Russian View on the Soviet pullout of Afgh.
Reply #4 - Feb 16th, 2009, 4:35pm
 

criminal, and traitor parchami said:
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Dear Abu,

The partition of the country may indeed become the last and only solution to our problems.


 
You tried hard this option, but you didn't succeed.
One should understand your pitty situation: Now you can dream colourfully after you emptied 3 bottle of home-made vodka like today.
 
But Afghansitan remains glorious for ever.
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Reply #5 - Feb 16th, 2009, 9:32pm
 
It will be more glorious when we send you back to your Paki homeland!!! Grin Grin Grin
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Quote from JKabuli on Feb 16th, 2009, 1:02pm:
Dear Abu,

The partition of the country may indeed become the last and only solution to our problems.

 
JKabuli,  
 
unlike Afghanistan, Pakistan has been ruled by intelligent and highly qualified politicians and military officers for decades. They have proved in almost all conflicts that they are smarter, better, and certainly more successful than their counterparts in Afghanistan. They have defeated and humiliated Afghanistan in every aspect imaginable.
 
However, they made one major mistake: they believed that they can control Islamic terrorist and brain-dead bearded-rats like BazkHan, HEWADMAL, 123, and so forth. And this mistake is now reaching Pakistan. The Taliban are a living political cancer, and if not stopped, they will destroy the entire region. Do not forget what the cousins and friends of BazKhan, 123, HEWADMAL and others have done to the poeple of New York, Madrid, London, and of course the countless cities of the region. Do not forget what they have done to the Buddhas of Bamiyan, to the people of Bamiyan, and to the incredibly beautiful nature of SWAT. Wherever they go and whatever they touch, they destroy everything. Destruction and terror is all they know.  
 
Yesterday, all major news agencies reported that Pakistan has accepted a deal with Pakistan's Pashtun population, with the Taliban, with "Mullah FM". They openly offer the Pashtuns - the Taliban - a piece of their country and grant them full autonomy ... an autonomy that will essentially lead to separation.  
 
It is obvious that Pakistan's military and political elite is realizing that one cannot coexist with these people. They want to separate, give the Pashtuns (Taliban) their "Pashtunistan", and isolate them. The people of Khorasan should do exactly the same: grant autonomy to the Taliban in the regions where Pashtuns are the majority - the enitre south. Then separate, create two independent nations.  
 
From the point of view of the Pashtun Taliban, everyone in the world is their enemy: Central Asians, Russians, Iranians, Pakistanis, Chinese, Indians, Americans, Europeans, etc.  
 
And from the point of view of the Civilized World, the Pashtun Taliban are the enemy.  
 
The Taliban are predominantly a Pashtun movement - a national movement of the majority Pashtun rural and fundamentalist population.  
 
The Pashtuns in this forum are the best example for it. Take a look at BazKhan, HEWADMAL, 123, YorBro, etc - they all belong to the same community. The community that is now terrorizing SWAT, the community that terrorized Bamiyan, the community that is responsible for the attacks on New York, Madrid, and London.  
 
There is no alternative left. The Pakistanis are realizing it ... do not be so stupid to be once again taught a lesson by Islamabad. Because if you act slowly and naively once again, Islamabad will laugh at you the same way they have laughed at you in the past decades.  
 
Our people are already suffering because of some 15 million of these BazKhans, 123s, and HEWADMALs ... if the Pashtun areas of Pakistan, under the rule of Taliban, separate from Pakistan, then the border - the Durrand Line - will become nonexistent. That means that another 25 million of BazKhans, 123s, and HEWADMALs - along with their Arab Wahabi masters - will flood the country.  
 
Draw the final line NOW, realize the warnings from Islamabad, get rid of your fake pride in "Awghanistan" and "Awghaniat", and break up the nation NOW! Because - and that I will assure you - these people will have absolutely no interest in your love for their "Awghaniyat" and "Awghanistan"!
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Re: A Russian View on the Soviet pullout of Afgh.
Reply #7 - Feb 17th, 2009, 1:43am
 
Quote from JKabuli on Feb 16th, 2009, 1:02pm:
Quote from Abu-Sayed on Feb 16th, 2009, 11:15am:
Extremely interesting video, and extremely interesting comments by a man who very obviously knows what he is talking about.

Please pay attention to the last words. He correctly acknowledges that "Afghanistan and Pakistan are inseparable" in this regard. Both countries are part of the same problem - the Pashtunistan issue. Unfortunately, the moderator stops him brings the show to an end.

But this Russian military experts confirms what I have been saying for so many years:

Pashtunistan is the real problem.

Break up Afghanistan and Pakistan, give the Pashtuns their own "Pashtunistan", and create two independent nations to north and south of Pashtunistan: Urdu-speaking Pakistan to the south, Persian-speaking Khorasan to the north, and give also the Baloch people their independent "Balushistan".

That is the ONLY solution. Pashtuns do not want to live with others and they want their own independent country "Pashtunistan". I fully supprot them - they have every right to demand such a nation.

At the same time, do not sacrifice the children of the north for the ambitions of Pashtuns. The people of Khorasan are suffering because of Pashtuns and Pashtunistan. Let them go - tear Afghanistan apart - give everyone the independence and freedom he/she deserves!  



Dear Abu,

The partition of the country may indeed become the last and only solution to our problems.

cheers


 
The last time the idea of separation was put in action was on Najibs final days in power, Karmalist and other setamis with Direct blessing of Russian tried to move the power base from Kabul to Mazar, since they were sure that Mujhidin soon or later would topple Najib, and all the military and other logistics were coming from Hairatan, the agenda was to make mazar as power base and separated Afghanistan in two part North and south, that way Russian will have a buffer state between them and Mujahidin, but Najib was not ready for this, that is wy he start moving his own people to Mazar, and from their the animosity between Najib and Karmalist reached to the highest point, the story is long, but to make it short, the gathering of Parchamis and setamis In Jabul Saraj and the treaty they signed with Masood,Mansoor naderi (Khayaan), General momen, Dostum, and Wahdad was part of same game plan,  but Parchamis and masood were on high mode, they want to control the whole country with same Agenda, but thinks did not went their way, the tragedy is  innocent peopled suffered and the big civil were which was like a monster engulfed Afghanistan, so don't tell us that this separation thing is something you want to implement in the furture, it was tried before and failed miserably. because the same group of people who were part of this game  tore each other apart, the fighting in Afshar. chindawol, Karte 3 Bamyan against Wahdad, the fighting in Mazrar, shberghan, Saripul, Kunduz, Salang, Kabul....Against Dostum were a clear example of all this.
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Reply #8 - Feb 17th, 2009, 4:52am
 
Dear friends:
 
Certain occasions in Afghanistan history are crucial and everyone should beware of:

  • Saratan 26, 1352 when a failed regime was toppled. The topple of that regime itself was the biggest achievement in Afghanistan regardless of its consequences. The sad part of it was that a dirty and traitor person to the cause of humanity such as Daud Khan and his accomplices reached power. It is a commonly accepted principle that you cannot find a beautiful bouquet of rose without thorn! Daud Khan and his accomplices were the thorn of the event and the change itself deserve to be celebrated as a bouquet of rose.
     
  • Saur 7, 1352 when hero and patriot Afghans put an end to the rule of a family and the rule of an era under the mask of Pashtuns. The positive part of that event was that Daud family was ended, the nominal role of Pashtuns as a UK plot was ended, important of all, a bunch of thugs who were trying to tell Afghans that they were icons of Islam were kicked out of Afghanistan. Among them were Gilani and Mujaddadi families. Whoever resorted to such historical acts deserve praise!
     
  • December 27, 1979 when Russian army entered Afghanistan and took the life of Amin and his gang who were responsible for the slaughter and murder of many people at dark. The sad part of it was the occupation of Afghanistan by the Red Army! Internal conflicts started in Afghanistan where millions of innocent Afghans lost their sweet life without any valid reasons. As I said we need to accept the realities as it occurred. It was a great occasion for ending the rule of 'Yahay' family! Let's not get fooled and let's not loose our good judgment and unity for future such adventurism.
     
  • Saur 8, (1992) where the cruel and dirty rule of PDPA members as a Russian puppet ended. Let's use our common sense and celebrate the occasion for the sake of ending a dirty era. Also, nobody can waive the tragedy of Kabul where tens of thousands of Kabulis lost their sweet life and loved ones without any reason. Again, we need to accept both the bouquet of rose with its thorns!
     
  • September 26, 1996 when Taleban put an end to the dirty life of robber Mujahedin. Though Taleban committed hundreds of atrocities and heinous crimes to common people but the event itself worth a clap and praise! Let's be clear on it.
     
  • In the same token the process started on November 7, 2001 was a big change in the direction of positive for future Afghanistan. On that day US B-52 successfully kicked out Taleban leadership and it was a big achievement on the part of humanity that hundreds of terrorists were caged in Cuba. In reality Afghanistan was saved from Dark Age era overnight! May Allah bless the soul of G. W. Bush and his good accomplices in advance! The sad part of the event was the imposition of a thug regime under Karzai package where supporters of thug Nader family got a second chance to enter Kabul!
     
  • Today is the day of Afghans. The imposed regime proved a failure. The coalition formed behind closed doors under traitor Karzai proved to be null and void. Today the regime is in the process of disintegration ..... and there is no doubt about it. Let's unitedly work to end this k=maderi under the mask of 'the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan'!
     
  • Least but not the last, Common Afghans have no animosity against each other. I am not a Pashtun and even I am not fan of Pashtun and Pashtunism but I have lived with Pashtuns and I have walked on each feet of Pashtun areas. Pashtuns have no animosity against any ethnic groups in Afghanistan. They are the victims of the regime imposed in Kabul. The animosity starts in Karzai cabinet, it starts from Kabul TV and Radio station, it emerges in Kabul University classrooms! The animosity is political not an animosity among common people.The same is true about Tajek, Hazara, Uzbek and millions of others people whose ethnicity and identity were not confirmed under Nader Family rule! Today the idea of Centralism failed. We need to celebrate it. Karzai camouflaging did not work. Mujaddadi's hues and cries and anti-communist agenda failed.

Congratulation to you hero Afghans. Act wisely. The first thing is to hit the Karzai package in a way so it does not get repaired as ever. Let's move on so finally we will be where we are wishing for but today we are where we qualify for.
 
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The last time the idea of separation was put in action was on Najibs final days in power, Karmalist and other setamis with Direct blessing of Russian tried to move the power base from Kabul to Mazar, since they were sure that Mujhidin soon or later would topple Najib, and all the military and other logistics were coming from Hairatan, the agenda was to make mazar as power base and separated Afghanistan in two part North and south, that way Russian will have a buffer state between them and Mujahidin, but Najib was not ready for this, that is wy he start moving his own people to Mazar, and from their the animosity between Najib and Karmalist reached to the highest point, the story is long, but to make it short, the gathering of Parchamis and setamis In Jabul Saraj and the treaty they signed with Masood,Mansoor naderi (Khayaan), General momen, Dostum, and Wahdad was part of same game plan,  but Parchamis and masood were on high mode, they want to control the whole country with same Agenda, but thinks did not went their way, the tragedy is  innocent peopled suffered and the big civil were which was like a monster engulfed Afghanistan, so don't tell us that this separation thing is something you want to implement in the furture, it was tried before and failed miserably. because the same group of people who were part of this game  tore each other apart, the fighting in Afshar. chindawol, Karte 3 Bamyan against Wahdad, the fighting in Mazrar, shberghan, Saripul, Kunduz, Salang, Kabul....Against Dostum were a clear example of all this.

 
Dear Ayna:
 
I do not have any argument against what you say but you fail to mention what is the solution to the problem in Afghanistan. Even if I accept what you say but the problem remains as it is. Afghanistan cannot function as a normal country. I do not care who are in favor or against Afghanistan or its unity but they can create a big obstacle where Afghanistan exist as a passive and almost non-existing entity!
 
What is the solution to the de facto situation of Afghanistan? You and I are witness people do not go for federalism but Karzai centralism failed. It is a proved fact. People oppose disintegration of Afghanistan but it is a disintegrated country in de facto!
 
Please talk real. You simply act as a break toward those who want to act for a solution. I personally am tired with its existing shape. Change must occur either in the direction of unity or disintegration. Karzai emerged as a hope to unite the country in Nader family style. Though it was a waste of time but it proved to be a failure once again. Do you intend to convince people to try a failed experience once again?
 
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Reply #10 - Feb 17th, 2009, 5:24am
 
Dear friends:
 
The plot of Saratan 26, 1352 coup under Daud Khan and the coup of Saur 7, 1357 was designed well ahead of time in Kabul and Afghanistan. This was not a secret. Daud Khan and Zaher Khan intentionally and purposefully implemented it in Afghanistan.
 
One day Dr. Ehsan Taraki Rostamal was discussing on changes in Afghanistan and third world countries as a whole in Faculty of laws and political sciences classroom. Daud Khan was in full power in Afghanistan. Any other argument except to promote the role of the USSR in Afghanistan was prohibited! The argument started between Dr. Taraki and one of the students who was a known Parchami. Both Dr. Ehsan Taraki and that Parchami individual were insisting that the Russian Red Army should support any change in future Afghanistan against imperialism adventurism but the other students, specially pro-Chinese communists and Ikhwanis, were laughing!
 
Laugh for what? They were laughing because, according to them, Russians did not have the necessary gut and courage to enter into such risky thing in defence of change in Afghanistan! Finally, the unexpected to the surprise of all occurred and the Russian Red Army did resort to a coup and they started to defend it bravely!
 
The people I am talking about were not normal people. They secured the top potions of leadership in Afghanistan. I do not deem it necessary to provide names here but they did took control of Afghanistan during PDPA rules, and they did play active and decisive roles under the mask of Mujahedin and Taleban!
 
Who can deny such realities of Afghanistan?
 
If Daud Khan was against Russia and he was a patriot Afghan why would he search patriotism and progress in Afghanistan through Russians military and economic adventurism? Was serving Russian aim in Afghanistan an act of patriotism on the part of Daud Khan? Do you think teaching curriculum for faculty of laws and political sciences of Kabul University under Daud Khan was carried out and Daud Khan and his gang did not know it?
 
It is just a stupid thing to believe. It is amazing people confirm fake stories of Abdul Hai Habibi as Afghanistan history but they are lip tied about real events in Afghanistan. Today any person who dare to talk about Daud Khan treacheries, a bunch of traitors with the help of foreigners want to silent them. Why?
 
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Reply #11 - Feb 17th, 2009, 8:36am
 
Quote from Abu-Sayed on Feb 16th, 2009, 11:15am:
Extremely interesting video, and extremely interesting comments by a man who very obviously knows what he is talking about.

Please pay attention to the last words. He correctly acknowledges that "Afghanistan and Pakistan are inseparable" in this regard. Both countries are part of the same problem - the Pashtunistan issue. Unfortunately, the moderator stops him brings the show to an end.

But this Russian military experts confirms what I have been saying for so many years:

Pashtunistan is the real problem.

Break up Afghanistan and Pakistan, give the Pashtuns their own "Pashtunistan", and create two independent nations to north and south of Pashtunistan: Urdu-speaking Pakistan to the south, Persian-speaking Khorasan to the north, and give also the Baloch people their independent "Balushistan".

That is the ONLY solution. Pashtuns do not want to live with others and they want their own independent country "Pashtunistan". I fully supprot them - they have every right to demand such a nation.

At the same time, do not sacrifice the children of the north for the ambitions of Pashtuns. The people of Khorasan are suffering because of Pashtuns and Pashtunistan. Let them go - tear Afghanistan apart - give everyone the independence and freedom he/she deserves!
 


 
 
 
AS!
 
There are two issues that you clearly don't or refuse to understand.  
 
1. Pashtunistan is an issue for Pakistan since the Paki Punjabi regime has been oppressing the Pashtuns in their land. Their rights have been violated and their will has not been recognized. Making concession to the Talibs are just the beginning of the end of Pakistan. The newly created state of Pashtunistan should live as a friendly state close to Afghanistan the same way as the newly created central Asian republics do. So I also support the creation of a democratic and secular Pashtunistan however not at the cost of disintegrating Afghanistan.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
 
2. The phony and fraudulent state of Khar Asan that you speaking of, will not come into creation due to your ignorance of realities on the ground. There is no homogenous linguistic or ethnic territory in Northern Afghanistan that will constitute this new alleged state. The biggest problem which will arise after secession from Afghanistan will be the ethnic war in the new phony baloney Khar Asan. In two historical eras where the Pashtuns have  been  absent from political landscape and power, the other Afghan ethnic groups have had their aggressive disagreement on sharing the power which led to wars. Keeping this mind, it is save to postulate that non-Pashtuns of Afghanistan are unable to share power, thus making of Khar Asan merely a distant dream. Keep dreaming!  Grin Grin Grin
 
 
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Reply #12 - Feb 17th, 2009, 8:47am
 
Quote from Abu-Sayed on Feb 17th, 2009, 12:08am:
Quote from JKabuli on Feb 16th, 2009, 1:02pm:
Dear Abu,

The partition of the country may indeed become the last and only solution to our problems.


JKabuli,

unlike Afghanistan, Pakistan has been ruled by intelligent and highly qualified politicians and military officers for decades. They have proved in almost all conflicts that they are smarter, better, and certainly more successful than their counterparts in Afghanistan. They have defeated and humiliated Afghanistan in every aspect imaginable.

However, they made one major mistake: they believed that they can control Islamic terrorist and brain-dead bearded-rats like BazkHan, HEWADMAL, 123, and so forth. And this mistake is now reaching Pakistan. The Taliban are a living political cancer, and if not stopped, they will destroy the entire region. Do not forget what the cousins and friends of BazKhan, 123, HEWADMAL and others have done to the poeple of New York, Madrid, London, and of course the countless cities of the region. Do not forget what they have done to the Buddhas of Bamiyan, to the people of Bamiyan, and to the incredibly beautiful nature of SWAT. Wherever they go and whatever they touch, they destroy everything. Destruction and terror is all they know.

Yesterday, all major news agencies reported that Pakistan has accepted a deal with Pakistan's Pashtun population, with the Taliban, with "Mullah FM". They openly offer the Pashtuns - the Taliban - a piece of their country and grant them full autonomy ... an autonomy that will essentially lead to separation.

It is obvious that Pakistan's military and political elite is realizing that one cannot coexist with these people. They want to separate, give the Pashtuns (Taliban) their "Pashtunistan", and isolate them. The people of Khorasan should do exactly the same: grant autonomy to the Taliban in the regions where Pashtuns are the majority - the enitre south. Then separate, create two independent nations.

From the point of view of the Pashtun Taliban, everyone in the world is their enemy: Central Asians, Russians, Iranians, Pakistanis, Chinese, Indians, Americans, Europeans, etc.

And from the point of view of the Civilized World, the Pashtun Taliban are the enemy.

The Taliban are predominantly a Pashtun movement - a national movement of the majority Pashtun rural and fundamentalist population.

The Pashtuns in this forum are the best example for it. Take a look at BazKhan, HEWADMAL, 123, YorBro, etc - they all belong to the same community. The community that is now terrorizing SWAT, the community that terrorized Bamiyan, the community that is responsible for the attacks on New York, Madrid, and London.

There is no alternative left. The Pakistanis are realizing it ... do not be so stupid to be once again taught a lesson by Islamabad. Because if you act slowly and naively once again, Islamabad will laugh at you the same way they have laughed at you in the past decades.

Our people are already suffering because of some 15 million of these BazKhans, 123s, and HEWADMALs ... if the Pashtun areas of Pakistan, under the rule of Taliban, separate from Pakistan, then the border - the Durrand Line - will become nonexistent. That means that another 25 million of BazKhans, 123s, and HEWADMALs - along with their Arab Wahabi masters - will flood the country.

Draw the final line NOW, realize the warnings from Islamabad, get rid of your fake pride in "Awghanistan" and "Awghaniat", and break up the nation NOW! Because - and that I will assure you - these people will have absolutely no interest in your love for their "Awghaniyat" and "Awghanistan"!    


 
 
AS!
 
Let's pretend for a split second that you are right in your outrageous allegations and let's accept for the sake of the argument that those crimes have been perpetuated in the name Afghan and Afghaniat. However I don't understand, in what name have these crimes been committed in the so called civilized Iran, that you so eagerly want Afghanistan to mimmic.  
 

 

 

 

 

 
 
 
Is this your notion and message for disintegrating Afghanistan? Shame on you!
 
 
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Reply #13 - Feb 17th, 2009, 9:04am
 
Quote from HolyGoat on Feb 17th, 2009, 8:36am:
1. Pashtunistan is an issue for Pakistan since the Paki Punjabi regime has been oppressing the Pashtuns in their land. Their rights have been violated and their will has not been recognized. Making concession to the Talibs are just the beginning of the end of Pakistan. The newly created state of Pashtunistan should live as a friendly state close to Afghanistan the same way as the newly created central Asian republics do. So I also support the creation of a democratic and secular Pashtunistan however not at the cost of disintegrating Afghanistan.

 
"Pashtunistan" is an international issue, and it is predominantly an issue of the Pashtun ethnic group of whom some 2/3 are former subjects of British Raj and are now within the borders of Pakistan.  
 
The creation of "Pashtunistan" in Northwestern Pakistan will not be the result of democracy. It will be the result of Taliban and Pashtun terror against the Pakistani government and Non-Pashtun Pakistani civilians. Of course, for someone who firmly believes in the Sharia laws of the Taliban, in banning music and education, and in beating and torturing women, such a state will be a "friendly neighbor". But in the eyes of the civilized world, such a country will be the center of terror and terrorism.  
 
The current situation is the beginning of Pashtunistan, and it seems that Pashtuns can finally live in a land where the Taliban - their national liberation movement - can rule and enforce the Sharia law. I fully supprot this and wish you people all the best. Pashtuns want the Taliban, they identify with the Taliban, they want the Sharia law, and the entire world should have respect for their wishes.  
 
However, the people of Khorasan are not Pashtuns, they do not want to coexist with Pashtuns, they do not want to be ruled by the Taliban, and they do not want to be identified with terrorists.  
 
So, the best and the only solution is to disintegrate Afghanistan, unite the Pashtun areas under "Pashtunistan" where the Taliban can rule, where Pashto is the national language, where woman are prevented from education and work, and where men can have homosexual relationships.  
 
The northern part, where Persian is the dominant language and way of life, where people do not resort to terror and Arab fundamentalism, should be united under the banner of Khorasan. Then both countries - Khorasan and Pashtunistan - can coexist as neighbors, without having any diplomatic or economic relations. I even suggest to fence the border! You have your own nation, and let us have ours.    
 
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he phony and fraudulent state of Khar Asan that you speaking of, will not come into creation due to your ignorance of realities on the ground. There is no homogenous linguistic or ethnic territory in Northern Afghanistan that will constitute this new alleged state. The biggest problem which will arise after secession from Afghanistan will be the ethnic war in the new phony baloney Khar Asan. In two historical eras where the Pashtuns have  been  absent from political landscape and power, the other Afghan ethnic groups have had their aggressive disagreement on sharing the power which led to wars. Keeping this mind, it is save to postulate that non-Pashtuns of Afghanistan are unable to share power, thus making of Khar Asan merely a distant dream. Keep dreaming!

 
You are totally mistaken. The current situation in Afghanistan proves that the people of the north are willing to coexist. The north is peaceful, has good contacts with its neighbors, they are even planing a joint TV-channel with Tajikistan and Iran. In the next few months, the first rail way from Mashhad to Herat, from Herat to Mazar, and from Mazar to Tajikistan will be opened. Just take a look at this map:
 

 
The north is secure, the south is not. The reason for that is easy: northerners want peace and cooperation with the West, the southerners (Pashtuns) do not accept peace and the West, but want to be ruled by Taliban and Sharia.  
 
The northerners have stopped puppy cultivation, the southerners maintain the production of drugs. The northerners do not abduct or kill foreign aid workers, the Pashtuns abduct, torture, and kill western aid workers.  
 
We are talking about two different nations, two different environments, two different cultures, two different civilizations, two different worlds.  
 
The Pakistanis have shown to us that there cannot be a coexistence with Pashtuns. The current situation in SWAT is the demand of the Pashtun people. They want the Taliban, and Pakistan has granted them autonomy and Taliban-rule. At the same time, Pakistan is not sacrificing its young soldiers for a cause that has no legitimacy. Why forcing different peoples and different civilizations to live in a country, although they do not want to coexist?!
 
I am telling the same to the people of Khorasan: demand your independence, break away from Pashtuns, let them have their Taliban rule. And to the West I say: do not sacrifice your soldiers and your money in Pashtunistan, let Pashtuns take care of themselves! Break up Afghanistan and use your entire might and economic powers to defend Khorasan and Pakistan against the Talib terrorism of Pashtunistan. Once Afghanistan and Pakistan are disintegrated and Pashtunistan is united, there is no need to attack Pashtuns. Keep them in their isolated country, fence the borders, and let them deal with themselves. And let the honorable people of Khorasan, Sindh, Baluchistan and Kashmir become part of the Civilized World without being worried with Pashtun terror and backwardism.  
 
I hope that the current situation in SWAT and NWFP opens the eyes of many who live in a dream-world. Once again, the world is witnessing the fact that the Taliban movement is first and predominantly a Pashtun national movement, promoting Pashtun nationalism. The word "Taliban" is totally identical to "Pashtun".  
 
Islamabad has realized this and is now ready to let go ... to separate from Pashtuns. The honorable people of Khorasan should seize the moment, realize the current "Zeitgeist", and do the same! Because once Pashtunistan is created, the Durrand Line will be non-existent, and there is no way that the artificial nation "Afghanistan" can stand another 25 million Pashtuns with Talibi and Wahhabi intentions.  
 
To all Non-Pashtuns I say: if you do not act now, you will regret it! Because the Taliban do not love you as much as you love them! History is my proof!
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Quote from HolyGoat on Feb 17th, 2009, 8:36am:
1. Pashtunistan is an issue for Pakistan since the Paki Punjabi regime has been oppressing the Pashtuns in their land. Their rights have been violated and their will has not been recognized. Making concession to the Talibs are just the beginning of the end of Pakistan. The newly created state of Pashtunistan should live as a friendly state close to Afghanistan the same way as the newly created central Asian republics do. So I also support the creation of a democratic and secular Pashtunistan however not at the cost of disintegrating Afghanistan.


"Pashtunistan" is an international issue, and it is predominantly an issue of the Pashtun ethnic group of whom some 2/3 are former subjects of British Raj and are now within the borders of Pakistan.

The creation of "Pashtunistan" in Northwestern Pakistan will not be the result of democracy. It will be the result of Taliban and Pashtun terror against the Pakistani government and Non-Pashtun Pakistani civilians. Of course, for someone who firmly believes in the Sharia laws of the Taliban, in banning music and education, and in beating and torturing women, such a state will be a "friendly neighbor". But in the eyes of the civilized world, such a country will be the center of terror and terrorism.

The current situation is the beginning of Pashtunistan, and it seems that Pashtuns can finally live in a land where the Taliban - their national liberation movement - can rule and enforce the Sharia law. I fully supprot this and wish you people all the best. Pashtuns want the Taliban, they identify with the Taliban, they want the Sharia law, and the entire world should have respect for their wishes.

However, the people of Khorasan are not Pashtuns, they do not want to coexist with Pashtuns, they do not want to be ruled by the Taliban, and they do not want to be identified with terrorists.

So, the best and the only solution is to disintegrate Afghanistan, unite the Pashtun areas under "Pashtunistan" where the Taliban can rule, where Pashto is the national language, where woman are prevented from education and work, and where men can have homosexual relationships.

The northern part, where Persian is the dominant language and way of life, where people do not resort to terror and Arab fundamentalism, should be united under the banner of Khorasan. Then both countries - Khorasan and Pashtunistan - can coexist as neighbors, without having any diplomatic or economic relations. I even suggest to fence the border! You have your own nation, and let us have ours.  

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he phony and fraudulent state of Khar Asan that you speaking of, will not come into creation due to your ignorance of realities on the ground. There is no homogenous linguistic or ethnic territory in Northern Afghanistan that will constitute this new alleged state. The biggest problem which will arise after secession from Afghanistan will be the ethnic war in the new phony baloney Khar Asan. In two historical eras where the Pashtuns have  been  absent from political landscape and power, the other Afghan ethnic groups have had their aggressive disagreement on sharing the power which led to wars. Keeping this mind, it is save to postulate that non-Pashtuns of Afghanistan are unable to share power, thus making of Khar Asan merely a distant dream. Keep dreaming!


You are totally mistaken. The current situation in Afghanistan proves that the people of the north are willing to coexist. The north is peaceful, has good contacts with its neighbors, they are even planing a joint TV-channel with Tajikistan and Iran. In the next few months, the first rail way from Mashhad to Herat, from Herat to Mazar, and from Mazar to Tajikistan will be opened. Just take a look at this map:

http://wpcontent.answers.com/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Afghanistan_map_-_security_b y_district_and_opium_poppy_cultivation_by_province_2007_-_2008.gif

The north is secure, the south is not. The reason for that is easy: northerners want peace and cooperation with the West, the southerners (Pashtuns) do not accept peace and the West, but want to be ruled by Taliban and Sharia.

The northerners have stopped puppy cultivation, the southerners maintain the production of drugs. The northerners do not abduct or kill foreign aid workers, the Pashtuns abduct, torture, and kill western aid workers.

We are talking about two different nations, two different environments, two different cultures, two different civilizations, two different worlds.

The Pakistanis have shown to us that there cannot be a coexistence with Pashtuns. The current situation in SWAT is the demand of the Pashtun people. They want the Taliban, and Pakistan has granted them autonomy and Taliban-rule. At the same time, Pakistan is not sacrificing its young soldiers for a cause that has no legitimacy. Why forcing different peoples and different civilizations to live in a country, although they do not want to coexist?!

I am telling the same to the people of Khorasan: demand your independence, break away from Pashtuns, let them have their Taliban rule. And to the West I say: do not sacrifice your soldiers and your money in Pashtunistan, let Pashtuns take care of themselves! Break up Afghanistan and use your entire might and economic powers to defend Khorasan and Pakistan against the Talib terrorism of Pashtunistan. Once Afghanistan and Pakistan are disintegrated and Pashtunistan is united, there is no need to attack Pashtuns. Keep them in their isolated country, fence the borders, and let them deal with themselves. And let the honorable people of Khorasan, Sindh, Baluchistan and Kashmir become part of the Civilized World without being worried with Pashtun terror and backwardism.  

I hope that the current situation in SWAT and NWFP opens the eyes of many who live in a dream-world. Once again, the world is witnessing the fact that the Taliban movement is first and predominantly a Pashtun national movement, promoting Pashtun nationalism. The word "Taliban" is totally identical to "Pashtun".

Islamabad has realized this and is now ready to let go ... to separate from Pashtuns. The honorable people of Khorasan should seize the moment, realize the current "Zeitgeist", and do the same! Because once Pashtunistan is created, the Durrand Line will be non-existent, and there is no way that the artificial nation "Afghanistan" can stand another 25 million Pashtuns with Talibi and Wahhabi intentions.

To all Non-Pashtuns I say: if you do not act now, you will regret it! Because the Taliban do not love you as much as you love them! History is my proof!


 
 
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As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about. Your ignorance is laughable your naive notion of reality is worst than comedy. It is actually a parody.  
 
1. Sharia Law is enforced in Iran and it will be enforced in the your phony baloney Khar Asan if it ever becomes a reality since the whole region will fall under the sphere of interest of Akhondi Mullahs. In current northern Afghanistan Sharia laws are in place and that is why we have the people like Kambachsh and Zalmai Ghaus on trial. The first stoning of a woman after the fall Taliban was carried out in Northern Afghanistan in Takhar.  
 
2. As long as the map of Afghanistan in regard to the security is concerned, it is the map which shows a relative risk reduction in north. Whenever you show me a map with no risk in North, then I will buy your argument in regard to peaceful coexistence.  
 
3. The rest your post is the old racially motivated propaganda against Pashtuns.
 
 
Afghanistan is a sovereign country with territorial integrity which will - to your dismay - last forever.  
 
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You can live on in your dream world, HG. That's fine with me. But you are missing the "Zeitgeist" ... you certainly are way too slow.  
 
Quote from HolyGoat on Feb 17th, 2009, 11:52am:
1. Sharia Law is enforced in Iran and it will be enforced in the your phony baloney Khar Asan if it ever becomes a reality since the whole region will fall under the sphere of interest of Akhondi Mullahs. In current northern Afghanistan Sharia laws are in place and that is why we have the people like Kambachsh and Zalmai Ghaus on trial. The first stoning of a woman after the fall Taliban was carried out in Northern Afghanistan in Takhar.

 
Usual nonsense by a blind and deaf man. Iran's laws, despite its Mullah regime, are absolutely not comparable to the terror of Pashtuns. Iran is a wealthy and successful nation where women have definitely more rights and opportunities than women in Pashtun areas. When it comes to the rights of women, minorities, and so forth, Iran and Iran's Mullahs are at least 300 years ahead of you.  
 
As for the map, I can show you dozens of others, all proving the same thing:
 

 
You people - the Pashtun/Taliban - are a high-risk factor. You are the source for instability, crime, terror, destruction, war, poverty, backwardism, fundamentalism, and so forth.  
 
Therefore, the only logical step is separation. Pakistan's government has realized that. Now it's our turn. I wish you all the best in your united Pashtunistan. I hope that the Americans not only fence the border, but also mine it!  
 
Oh ... and I forgot ... this is what Henry Kissinger wrote a few months ago:  
 
... In 2009 the realities of Afghanistan will impose themselves. No outside power has ever prevailed by establishing central rule, as Britain learnt in the 19th century and the Soviet Union in the 20th. The collection of nearly autonomous provinces which define Afghanistan coalesce in opposition to outside attempts to impose central rule. Decentralisation of the current effort is essential. ...
 
http://www.economist.com/theworldin/PrinterFriendly.cfm?story_id=12574180
 
You are missing the "Zeitgeist", HG ... once again, you Pashtuns are centuries behind. Read Kissinger's article very carefully, HG ... beucase these are the signs of change. As B. Obama used to say: "Change is coming!" ... and change is coming to Awghanestan, Pakistan, and the entire region ... you better chose sides now ... because the disintegration of Awghanestan is inevitable!  
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[quote author=HolyGoat link=1234810735/0#11 date=1234888568]Quote from Abu-Sayed on Feb 16th, 2009, 11:15am:
Extremely interesting video, and extremely interesting comments by a man who very obviously knows what he is talking about.

Please pay attention to the last words. He correctly acknowledges that "Afghanistan and Pakistan are inseparable" in this regard. Both countries are part of the same problem - the Pashtunistan issue. Unfortunately, the moderator stops him brings the show to an end.

But this Russian military experts confirms what I have been saying for so many years:

Pashtunistan is the real problem.

Break up Afghanistan and Pakistan, give the Pashtuns their own "Pashtunistan", and create two independent nations to north and south of Pashtunistan: Urdu-speaking Pakistan to the south, Persian-speaking Khorasan to the north, and give also the Baloch people their independent "Balushistan".

That is the ONLY solution. Pashtuns do not want to live with others and they want their own independent country "Pashtunistan". I fully supprot them - they have every right to demand such a nation.

At the same time, do not sacrifice the children of the north for the ambitions of Pashtuns. The people of Khorasan are suffering because of Pashtuns and Pashtunistan. Let them go - tear Afghanistan apart - give everyone the independence and freedom he/she deserves!
 


 
 
 
 
 
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There are two issues that you clearly don't or refuse to understand.

1. Pashtunistan is an issue for Pakistan since the Paki Punjabi regime has been oppressing the Pashtuns in their land. Their rights have been violated and their will has not been recognized. Making concession to the Talibs are just the beginning of the end of Pakistan. The newly created state of Pashtunistan should live as a friendly state close to Afghanistan the same way as the newly created central Asian republics do. So I also support the creation of a democratic and secular Pashtunistan however not at the cost of disintegrating Afghanistan.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

 
 
Pashtunistan is indeed a problem for the Pakistanis. It also demonstrates the failure of Pashtuns to do anything about it for the past 60 years. These Pashtuns were more interested in being Pakistani than doing something for their own people.
 
The rights of the Pashtun people in Pakistan have been violated, but much more of the damage to this group comes from their own primitive culture and their domination by primitive Islamism taught by the Wahabi Taliban.
This is not a foundation for creating a modern state.
 
You also forget that the force leading "Pashtunistan" is not democratic minded and educated Pashtuns...it is the barbarian Taliban. We doubt that even a goat like you would last five minutes under their rule.  
 
And a long as the Taliban make up the leadership, their is no way we could have "friendly" relations with them.
They are creating Talibistan...not Pasthunistan...and no intelligent person can accept them as neighbors.
We challenge you to find your nearest Talib creature and suggest that you support a secular democracy in the regions they control!!!
 
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2. The phony and fraudulent state of Khar Asan that you speaking of, will not come into creation due to your ignorance of realities on the ground. There is no homogenous linguistic or ethnic territory in Northern Afghanistan that will constitute this new alleged state. The biggest problem which will arise after secession from Afghanistan will be the ethnic war in the new phony baloney Khar Asan
 
 
Demands for separation from the Pashtun population and Pashtun rule is a legitimate cause. It is based on over 200 years of Pashtun domination and violation of human rights of non-Pashtun people. Now whether this becomes a "khorasan" or not is another matter.
In reality, our country is already separated into North and South areas.
 
Our position is not the creation of a new state, but the creation of a democratic Federal Republic...much like what exists in India.
 
 
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In two historical eras where the Pashtuns have  been  absent from political landscape and power, the other Afghan ethnic groups have had their aggressive disagreement on sharing the power which led to wars. Keeping this mind, it is save to postulate that non-Pashtuns of Afghanistan are unable to share power, thus making of Khar Asan merely a distant dream. Keep dreaming!  Grin Grin Grin

 
 
There has never been a period where Pashtun power has not affected our politics. Your understanding of our history is very strange, and we would like to know where you come up with such ideas.
 
Pashtun kings and dictators have been in control of our nation for over 200 years. The have committed genocide, kept the entire country, including the Pashtun population in constant ignorance and poverty, and they have fostered inter-ethnic conflict and divisions.
 
If you are talking about the 9 months when Saqaw took over Kabul as one of your examples, you also forget that he was part of a larger British plot to overthrow Amanullah and establish the Pashtun Nadir and his family. So where was the non-Pashtun rule?
 
If you are talking about the period when Rabbani declared himself "president", you forget that he was part of a multi-ethnic coalition which included your hero Gulbudeen...that great role model of Pashtunhood!!!
 
Your argument is both illogical and incorrect.
 
The ONLY way we can have peace in our nation is to give up the ethno-fascism of the past 200 years, establish a secular democracy, and create leadership that is based on moral character as well as management skills.
 
Your dreams of "Pasthunistan" being created by the most backward of the Earth's population is really a nightmare than none of us can ever accept.
 
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Reply #17 - Feb 17th, 2009, 1:14pm
 
Quote from Abu-Sayed on Feb 17th, 2009, 12:40pm:
You can live on in your dream world, HG. That's fine with me. But you are missing the "Zeitgeist" ... you certainly are way too slow.

Quote from HolyGoat on Feb 17th, 2009, 11:52am:
1. Sharia Law is enforced in Iran and it will be enforced in the your phony baloney Khar Asan if it ever becomes a reality since the whole region will fall under the sphere of interest of Akhondi Mullahs. In current northern Afghanistan Sharia laws are in place and that is why we have the people like Kambachsh and Zalmai Ghaus on trial. The first stoning of a woman after the fall Taliban was carried out in Northern Afghanistan in Takhar.


Usual nonsense by a blind and deaf man. Iran's laws, despite its Mullah regime, are absolutely not comparable to the terror of Pashtuns. Iran is a wealthy and successful nation where women have definitely more rights and opportunities than women in Pashtun areas. When it comes to the rights of women, minorities, and so forth, Iran and Iran's Mullahs are at least 300 years ahead of you.

As for the map, I can show you dozens of others, all proving the same thing:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/afghanistan/images/map-afghanistan- 2003.jpg

You people - the Pashtun/Taliban - are a high-risk factor. You are the source for instability, crime, terror, destruction, war, poverty, backwardism, fundamentalism, and so forth.

Therefore, the only logical step is separation. Pakistan's government has realized that. Now it's our turn. I wish you all the best in your united Pashtunistan. I hope that the Americans not only fence the border, but also mine it!

Oh ... and I forgot ... this is what Henry Kissinger wrote a few months ago:

... In 2009 the realities of Afghanistan will impose themselves. No outside power has ever prevailed by establishing central rule, as Britain learnt in the 19th century and the Soviet Union in the 20th. The collection of nearly autonomous provinces which define Afghanistan coalesce in opposition to outside attempts to impose central rule. Decentralisation of the current effort is essential. ...

http://www.economist.com/theworldin/PrinterFriendly.cfm?story_id=12574180

You are missing the "Zeitgeist", HG ... once again, you Pashtuns are centuries behind. Read Kissinger's article very carefully, HG ... beucase these are the signs of change. As B. Obama used to say: "Change is coming!" ... and change is coming to Awghanestan, Pakistan, and the entire region ... you better chose sides now ... because the disintegration of Awghanestan is inevitable!  


 
 
 
AS!
 
Either you don't have the ability to comprehend or the Iranian Akhdoni propaganda has made you blind to see.  
 
Sop with your ridiculous claims. These are the REAL opportunities women have in Iran  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
 

 

 

 

 
 
 
 
Prostitution is blooming in Iran and the streets of Tehran are full of them. Maybe you should this documentary about the drug abuse and prostitution in Iran in contrast to your baseless claims.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N55yDV728Ls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_AGBR02jts&feature=related
 
 
 
As far as Obamas message of Change is concerned, he will bring the change and the men who are bringing this change are either Ashraf Ghani Ahmadzai, Ghul Agha SHerzai, Ahmad Ali Jalali or Abdullah Abdullah. All four are in favor of strong centralized governments. Decentralization and disintegration of Afghanistan will only remain a dream. The highest risk of disintegration was at the time Masoud when there was written on the Salang Pass - Ba Khorasan e Kochak khosh amaded. Those days are gone now.
 
 
As long as the map is concerned, maybe you should check my previous post where I have stated clearly about the RELATIVE low risk. This map confirms my statement rather than yours.  Shocked Shocked Shocked
When compared to Southern Afghanistan, Northern Afghanistan is enjoying a RELATIVELY calmer existence. However this is in relation to the highly volatile situation in the south and east. No body has denied it and we are fully aware of the ground realities in northern parts of our country. The grass looks always greener on the other side.  Wink
 
 
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Dream on, HG! Dream on, and think about who really benefits, if Ashraf Ghani becomes president. He is just another Karzai - and for the time being, Pashtun Hamid Karzai, Pashtun Karim Khurram, and the Pashtun Taliban are "Abu-Sayeds" ghulams, promoting the Great Khorasan movement in his name.  Cool We need more Khurrams, more Mullah Omars, more Ahadis!   Grin
 
The more of you cave-monkeys terrorize the people, the more they will realize that we and Khorasan are their only hope.  
 
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Reply #19 - Feb 17th, 2009, 7:02pm
 
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Dream on, HG! Dream on, and think about who really benefits, if Ashraf Ghani becomes president. He is just another Karzai - and for the time being, Pashtun Hamid Karzai, Pashtun Karim Khurram, and the Pashtun Taliban are "Abu-Sayeds" ghulams, promoting the Great Khorasan movement in his name.  Cool We need more Khurrams, more Mullah Omars, more Ahadis!   Grin

The more of you cave-monkeys terrorize the people, the more they will realize that we and Khorasan are their only hope.

Therefore I say: GO ASHRAF GHANI! You have my support!  Grin


You KMadar have no shame. How come an bloody Shia Arab mixed with Azari Turk calling himself Khurasani?
 
You are the cancer for humanity and you are NOT hope you are a disaster .
 
Shut your dirty mouth you historic KMadr non Aryan Khurasani, chest beater monkey.
 
Check your nick name here ABU????
 
And your real name ALI Nahzat????
 
Khurasani name is such a  YAMA_feraidoun-Kawa-Mazda-Arash-Rustam-Kurash-Daryush and ….etc NOT Kmadar ABU or ALI Nahzat???!!!
 
 
 KMadar you are non Khurasani and the blood of KMadari is running in your dirty veins.
 
This is the Aryan  Pashtun ,DARI/PARSI  speakers land and we will keep  it proud and defend her with our blood!
 
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Pashtun and DARI/PARSI speakers are like two brothers from on mother and fathers and we both are Aryans. Your propaganda and KMadari never will work and bring more hatred against some ethnic groups such a Hazara and Panjshiri.
 
Because of  the BINAMOOSI and KMadari of element like you the GOOD Hazara and GOOD Panjshiri will victimize and pay the price of your historic KMadari and foolishness.
 
Pashtuns and DARI/PARSI speakers are the owners and rulers of this land and they will exists till the end of stars and planet  and will lead our nation and our country to the 21st century. Stop KMadari, because you will make more hatred and enmity O CHUCHE KHAR WA AWLADE SAG!
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Reply #22 - Feb 18th, 2009, 4:47am
 
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Dream on, HG! Dream on, and think about who really benefits, if Ashraf Ghani becomes president. He is just another Karzai - and for the time being, Pashtun Hamid Karzai, Pashtun Karim Khurram, and the Pashtun Taliban are "Abu-Sayeds" ghulams, promoting the Great Khorasan movement in his name.  Cool We need more Khurrams, more Mullah Omars, more Ahadis!   Grin

The more of you cave-monkeys terrorize the people, the more they will realize that we and Khorasan are their only hope.

Therefore I say: GO ASHRAF GHANI! You have my support!  Grin


 
 
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First you wrote a long reply and then deleted it. I can only assume that it was not in line with the Akhondi policies and it was disapproved so you had to remove it.  Grin Grin Grin
 
I just came from Afghanistan and inside Afghanistan the movement of Khar Asan is dead. Even the issue of federalism which was hot a couple of years back is also resting in peace. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
 
The challenge of governing Afghanistan is tremendous and may the best man win. Regardless of who wins, your dreams are not going to resurrect in regard to phony baloney Khar Asan. Afghans are awaiting a new president or a reformed Karzai. The long term policies of US should change since they have only exacerbated the situation. That is exactly why Afghanistan is also part of the large commission in which a new course is going to be chosen for war on terror.
 
As the rest of your comment is concerned, they are the usual racially motivated BS that we always hear from you. No need to comment on them. Stay ignorant!  Wink
 
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Re: A Russian View on the Soviet pullout of Afgh.
Reply #23 - Feb 18th, 2009, 5:42am
 
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Pashtun and DARI/PARSI speakers are like two brothers from on mother and fathers and we both are Aryans. Your propaganda and KMadari never will work and bring more hatred against some ethnic groups such a Hazara and Panjshiri.

Because of  the BINAMOOSI and KMadari of element like you the GOOD Hazara and GOOD Panjshiri will victimize and pay the price of your historic KMadari and foolishness.

Pashtuns and DARI/PARSI speakers are the owners and rulers of this land and they will exists till the end of stars and planet  and will lead our nation and our country to the 21st century. Stop KMadari, because you will make more hatred and enmity O CHUCHE KHAR WA AWLADE SAG!

 
Dear ZSK:
 
I really really get disappointed when I hear you believe: "Pashtun and DARI/PARSI speakers are like two brothers from on mother and fathers and we both are Aryans."
 
ZSK:
 
What happened to your commitment that we need to proceed in the limit of democracy and secularism in negation of tribalism. Do you understand the meaning of tribalism? It means you evaluate issues in the context of your family and tribe affairs. Suppose Pashtun and Dari/Farsi speakers were not like two brothers then what?  
 
Also, you are putting some strange ideas together which should not be put together - Pashtun is an ethnic group and Dari/Farsi speakers are people who speak the language. Any Pashtun can be a Dari speaker. Which two things are you talking about. Who are these Dar/Farsi speakers who are brothers with Pashtuns? When you name Pashtun as an ethnic group, you should be able to name an ethnic group next to it to introduce them as brother. You cannot say Zanburak Shah Kabuli is brother of Zanburak Shah Kabuli!
 
Your idea is the best symptom of Afghanistan problem. All people who live in Afghanistan are labeled Afghans. Now tell me who are these all people? They must be clearly and openly introduced. You and I have discussed that you are not Tajek and it is imposed on you. You are an Aryan. That's a big big progress on your and my part in our talks. Now what is the reason you do not talk like this - Pashtuns and Arynas are brothers!
 
I am just curious to learn about your political and historical ideas. Abu_Sayed seems to be maneuvering more deeply. How would it be possible to swim with him in a deep ocean by talking about shallow river? He is busy in Atlantic Ocean affairs but you are busy from the analogy of Kabul River - where three months water flow in it and nine months dirt!
 
The bottom line is you need to proceed in the context of secularism and democracy where humanity is the core of issues. You as an human being belong to the whole humanity worldwide. That way you can establish normal relations with humanity worldwide including good relations with the ideas of Chairman Mao-tse-tung!
 
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Re: A Russian View on the Soviet pullout of Afgh.
Reply #24 - Feb 18th, 2009, 5:58am
 
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AS!

First you wrote a long reply and then deleted it. I can only assume that it was not in line with the Akhondi policies and it was disapproved so you had to remove it.  Grin Grin Grin

I just came from Afghanistan and inside Afghanistan the movement of Khar Asan is dead. Even the issue of federalism which was hot a couple of years back is also resting in peace. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

The challenge of governing Afghanistan is tremendous and may the best man win. Regardless of who wins, your dreams are not going to resurrect in regard to phony baloney Khar Asan. Afghans are awaiting a new president or a reformed Karzai. The long term policies of US should change since they have only exacerbated the situation. That is exactly why Afghanistan is also part of the large commission in which a new course is going to be chosen for war on terror.

As the rest of your comment is concerned, they are the usual racially motivated BS that we always hear from you. No need to comment on them. Stay ignorant!  Wink

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Dear HolyKmaderi:
 
The issue of Khorasan and Aryana relates to the history of the inhabitants of today Afghanistan. A bunch of spies in the form of Mujaddadi and Gilani families as well as Nader family who were imported from Indian sub-continent and Iraq according to UK plot in the region cannot deprive people from their historical prides. This issue has nothing to do with Abu_Sayed or Latif Pederam or Setamis!
 
No Afghan can deny Afghanistan has a history of more than six thousand years. Your Afghanistan is not that country with six thousand years history. If it is not Khorasan then what is it. Afghans believe that this country got a glorious history in which we had great people such as Ahmed Shah Abdali, Mawlana Jalaluddin Balkhi Rumi, Sanai .... and .... and .... If you are telling us that you do not believe in Khorasan and people in Afghanistan do not care about it, could you explain what you are trying to tell people? Ahmed Shah Abdali was not an Afghan. Sanai was not an Afghan. They were Irani and Khorasani. Who are you binamoos to deprive me of my history and past glories?
 
The only solution to Afghanistan existing problem is to kick you binamoosan out of the country for ever. Afghans and Afghanistan should stick to its historical prides to become a stable entity in the region and a recognized entity with historical prides in the fame of UN Charter! The idea of Khorasan and Aryana will never die in Afghanistan. The only thing that is dying is the k=maderi and plot of the UK!
 
Dead to UK k=maderi in Afghanistan under the mask of these k-=froshan!
 
How can you k-frosh succeed to deprive Afghans and Afghanistan from their historical pride. Afghans are not Pakistani to start their history from 1947! Afghans should not be treated like Zionists to start their history from 1949! Afghans do not start their history from Abdul Rehman, the running dog of Russians and UK!  
 
Your davoosi will not bring any change to the realities of Afghanistan.
 
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Re: A Russian View on the Soviet pullout of Afgh.
Reply #25 - Feb 18th, 2009, 6:17am
 
Dear friends:
 
The desperate attempt to deprive Afghans from their historical Khorasani and Irani or Arian or Aryan identity was buried deep under ground on Saur 7, 1357! It was the mission of Sardar Mohammed Naim, Sardar Mohammed Daud and Mohammed Gol Momend to do that as a plot of UK in the region. Afghans will finally realize who they are and where they belong to.
 
If it is not happening today it is not the UK barking dogs who appear here in the form of HolyKmaderi and category, it is because Afghans are ignorant to their glories and prides. The only way to make Afghans civil is to introduce universal education to them. Any Afghan who becomes literate he will join the army of Khorasani and Irani (not today Iran who has stolen and robbed our historical pride)! If Latef Pederam become Khorasani it is because he got education. The reason Karzai remain an Afghan is clear. He is an stupid ignorant person!
 
Till Afghans remain illiterate and ignorant they will remain Afghan strange to their historical prides and glories and today Iran who used to be called Farsis will continue to confiscate our prides for themselves!
 
You HolyKmaderi and category will not be able to maneuver so freely for ever. The day one Afghan get education, your age one day is reduced. You will not be able to live in the region for ever. For the past thirty years your hands are cut off from Afghans and Afghanistan. The plot of Karzai package under centralism failed. Even Karzai could not succeed to impose his one thug on Afghans and Afghanistan!
 
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You can slow the caravan of progress but you cannot stop them for ever. Afghans one day attend schools and they will learn the realities right from British Museum. They will learn that they were Khorasani and Aryans with great great prides. Their humiliation started when they become Afghans in negation of their historical prides.
 
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Re: A Russian View on the Soviet pullout of Afgh.
Reply #26 - Feb 18th, 2009, 6:27am
 
Dear friends:
 
To allege that Afghans has nothing to do with Khorasan is similar for a pakistani to allege that Pakistan has nothing to do with India. Pakistan was born in 1947 from India. How can Pakistan deny its historical affiliation with India. Pakistan allege it is a Muslim country but they fail to understand the total population of Pakistan is less than the Muslim population of India today!
 
Pakistan is a fake state and its destruction is imminent. If Pakistan gets destroyed the big part of it become the lot of India. The same is true about the fake Afghanistan. In the case Afghanistan disintegrate the great part of it will become part of historical Khorasan and Aryana or Iran!
 
Can you deny such undeniable facts?
 
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Re: A Russian View on the Soviet pullout of Afgh.
Reply #27 - Feb 18th, 2009, 6:30am
 
Quote from HolyGoat on Feb 18th, 2009, 4:47am:
First you wrote a long reply and then deleted it. I can only assume that it was not in line with the Akhondi policies and it was disapproved so you had to remove it.

 
I did not delete it, I guess it was the admin. It was the second time in 2 days that one of my posts was deleted without informing me.  
 
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I just came from Afghanistan and inside Afghanistan the movement of Khar Asan is dead. Even the issue of federalism which was hot a couple of years back is also resting in peace.

 
You were in Kandahar. Of course nobody in Kandahar cares about Khorasan. Why should they? They are not part of Khorasan, not part of Khorasanian cultrue and civilization. They are Pashtuns, part of Pashtunistan. That's a totally different culture, identity, civilization - Pashtuns and Khurasanis are like fire and water.  
 
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The challenge of governing Afghanistan is tremendous and may the best man win. Regardless of who wins, your dreams are not going to resurrect in regard to phony baloney Khar Asan. Afghans are awaiting a new president or a reformed Karzai. The long term policies of US should change since they have only exacerbated the situation. That is exactly why Afghanistan is also part of the large commission in which a new course is going to be chosen for war on terror.

 
The same BS talks ... always and always and always again ... take a look at your "Awghanestan" - the REAL, the EXISTING "Awghanestan" - it is a piece of garbage. Take a look at your own Pashtuns: an ignorant people, 80% rural, 90% uneducated, 99% fundamentalist and allied with the Taliban and Arab Wahhabis. You people are the main source for drug production, instability, terrorism, protecting terrorists, terrorist attacks in America/Europe/India.  
 
Until now, Americans believed that they can change the situation by appointing Pashtun "ghulams" in Kabul. The strategy did not work out. Karzai and the Pashtuns were - once again - a failure. Whenever a foreign power relied on Pashtuns, they did not succeed. The Soviets installed Pashtun stooges in Kabul, and at the end lost. The Americans did the same.  
 
H. Kissenger is right ... it seems that Americans and the NATO are learning from their mistakes. Gerhard Schröder, dormer chancellor of Germany, and the current German secretary of state, Steinmeier, totally denounced Karzai at the meeting in Munich. Karzai looked like a beaten dog at the end of his speech, and nobody - really nobody - cared about what he was saying. That's why he and his Pashtun people are once again licking the balls of Russians. You have basically two options left: turn to the Russians and Chinese, or turn to the Taliban and terrorists. And since Russia has already accepted a deal from Washington to allow their forces pass their territory, you have only one option left: the Taliban and Wahhabi terrorists. You are exactly where you were prior to 9/11. The Khorasanis, on the other hand, have evolved. They not only have a well trained militia - assisted by irregular troops from Iran and Tajikistan - they also have Westernized politicians, successful governors, relative stability, decrease of drug production, and close ties with neighboring countries.
 
You lack of all of this. Now that America is coming closer to Russia and Iran, it becomes obvious that a strong Tajik force is needed to handle the situation. Pashtuns will never accept the rule of Non-Pashtuns, and therefore, a civil war is inevitable - unless the country is disintegrated.  
 
That's reality ... just wait and see ...  Cool  
 

 
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Reply #28 - Feb 18th, 2009, 10:49am
 
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If Latef Pederam become Khorasani it is because he got education. The reason Karzai remain an Afghan is clear. He is an stupid ignorant person!

 
Perhaps the best analysis of the day! It is clear that those who stick to the name and identity of "Afghan" are either Pashtun nationalists or those who have been deprived of education!  
 
Forced assimilation under the banner of "national unity" and by the use of history revisionism, lies, and religious fundamentalism is the worst form of fascism!  
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Re: A Russian View on the Soviet pullout of Afgh.
Reply #29 - Feb 18th, 2009, 11:40am
 
Quote from Abu-Sayed on Feb 18th, 2009, 6:30am:
Quote from HolyGoat on Feb 18th, 2009, 4:47am:
First you wrote a long reply and then deleted it. I can only assume that it was not in line with the Akhondi policies and it was disapproved so you had to remove it.


I did not delete it, I guess it was the admin. It was the second time in 2 days that one of my posts was deleted without informing me.

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I just came from Afghanistan and inside Afghanistan the movement of Khar Asan is dead. Even the issue of federalism which was hot a couple of years back is also resting in peace.


You were in Kandahar. Of course nobody in Kandahar cares about Khorasan. Why should they? They are not part of Khorasan, not part of Khorasanian cultrue and civilization. They are Pashtuns, part of Pashtunistan. That's a totally different culture, identity, civilization - Pashtuns and Khurasanis are like fire and water.

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The challenge of governing Afghanistan is tremendous and may the best man win. Regardless of who wins, your dreams are not going to resurrect in regard to phony baloney Khar Asan. Afghans are awaiting a new president or a reformed Karzai. The long term policies of US should change since they have only exacerbated the situation. That is exactly why Afghanistan is also part of the large commission in which a new course is going to be chosen for war on terror.


The same BS talks ... always and always and always again ... take a look at your "Awghanestan" - the REAL, the EXISTING "Awghanestan" - it is a piece of garbage. Take a look at your own Pashtuns: an ignorant people, 80% rural, 90% uneducated, 99% fundamentalist and allied with the Taliban and Arab Wahhabis. You people are the main source for drug production, instability, terrorism, protecting terrorists, terrorist attacks in America/Europe/India.

Until now, Americans believed that they can change the situation by appointing Pashtun "ghulams" in Kabul. The strategy did not work out. Karzai and the Pashtuns were - once again - a failure. Whenever a foreign power relied on Pashtuns, they did not succeed. The Soviets installed Pashtun stooges in Kabul, and at the end lost. The Americans did the same.

H. Kissenger is right ... it seems that Americans and the NATO are learning from their mistakes. Gerhard Schröder, dormer chancellor of Germany, and the current German secretary of state, Steinmeier, totally denounced Karzai at the meeting in Munich. Karzai looked like a beaten dog at the end of his speech, and nobody - really nobody - cared about what he was saying. That's why he and his Pashtun people are once again licking the balls of Russians. You have basically two options left: turn to the Russians and Chinese, or turn to the Taliban and terrorists. And since Russia has already accepted a deal from Washington to allow their forces pass their territory, you have only one option left: the Taliban and Wahhabi terrorists. You are exactly where you were prior to 9/11. The Khorasanis, on the other hand, have evolved. They not only have a well trained militia - assisted by irregular troops from Iran and Tajikistan - they also have Westernized politicians, successful governors, relative stability, decrease of drug production, and close ties with neighboring countries.

You lack of all of this. Now that America is coming closer to Russia and Iran, it becomes obvious that a strong Tajik force is needed to handle the situation. Pashtuns will never accept the rule of Non-Pashtuns, and therefore, a civil war is inevitable - unless the country is disintegrated.

That's reality ... just wait and see ...  Cool  

http://stopthedrugwar.org/files/afghanistanopiummap08.gif

Obama and his friends know these maps ... Smiley


 
 
Sorry dude!
 
I wasn’t in Kandahar. For your information I was in Kabul, Mazar e Sharif, Jawzjan (Shiberghan), Baghlan (Pul e Khomri), Laghman and Jalalabad. There the talk of Khar Asan was dead in general. There was no momentum in this kind of talk. The issue is even dead on extreme sites such as Khawaran and Ariananet. Not even the Khar Asan pseudo-intellectuals in the Diaspora are taking interest in this issue.
 
As long as the issue of normalisation of US relations with Iran are concerned, it is not going to be changed over night. There are many different aspect of security are involved. The extreme nature of Akhondistan is taken into consideration we are safe to argue that it will take more than a message of change from Obama to make Iran a friendly nation. Last but not least don’t forget the impact of AIPAC and ADL in regard to Iranian and Israeli threats.  
 
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PS: Pashtuns are still winners, despite Karzai being a loser.
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Re: A Russian View on the Soviet pullout of Afgh.
Reply #30 - Feb 18th, 2009, 12:01pm
 
Quote from HolyGoat on Feb 18th, 2009, 11:40am:
I wasn’t in Kandahar. For your information I was in Kabul, Mazar e Sharif, Jawzjan (Shiberghan), Baghlan (Pul e Khomri), Laghman and Jalalabad.

 
What were you doing in Mazar, Jozjan, and Kabul? Promoting the cause of the Naqleen?! Roll Eyes  
 
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There the talk of Khar Asan was dead in general.

 
Grin Believe me HG, that no one would talk to you about Khorasan. I mean, you cannot even pronounce the word correctly. I guess it's because of the many retroflex sounds in your mother tongue, which you have inherited from your Dravidian forefathers. Anyway ... I can assure you, that the Khorasan movement is a big issue among people who really matter, not some unimportant Talib supporters who are afraid to live among their heroes and instead live the life of social parasites in the lands of their enemies. This not only includes important members of the current government, but also leading personalities in the media.  
 
Since you were in Mazar, I am just anxious to know what you think of the many streets and squares that are named after Ferdowsi, Mowlana, and Zarathustra. Did you like it? Isn't it great that the people of Balkh have removed all Pashtun names and replaced them with pure Persian and Khorasani names?!  Grin The people of Balkh and Kabul may not talk about Khorasan to fundamentalist Talibi animals, but they surely love to discuss it among themselves. They know their enemies, and they know their friends. And let me tell you, HG, we are not their enemies ...  Cool
 
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As long as the issue of normalisation of US relations with Iran are concerned, it is not going to be changed over night. There are many different aspect of security are involved. The extreme nature of Akhondistan is taken into consideration we are safe to argue that it will take more than a message of change from Obama to make Iran a friendly nation. Last but not least don’t forget the impact of AIPAC and ADL in regard to Iranian and Israeli threats.

 
You are once again proving that you totally miss the "Zeitgeist", HG ... like all Pashtuns. Iranians began planning for the post-Akhund era many years ago, and they are almost done:
 



 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_of_the_east
 
Do you really think that Iran is building these places for the Akhunds?! Roll Eyes  
 
Iran has the second largest known oil reserves and perhaps the largest gas fields. In 20 years from now, Iran and Russia will be the riches countries in the world. And the Iranians know that. Americans have already convinced the Iranians that they should give up their nuclear program for the sake of economic and social development. Both countries share the same political goals in Iraq, Central Asia, and Afghanistan - all America needs is to convince Iran that they are no threat in the region. Iran will open its economy and natural resources to world markets, and Americans will lift all their embargoes, the same way they have lifted them in regard of Libya.    
 
And you Awghans?! You will still be drinking water from same source you pi$$ in.  
 
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Pashtuns are still winners, despite Karzai being a loser.

 
Yeah ... right.  Grin Do you want me to show you the map again?
 

 
When the world thinks of Pashtun, it thinks of these people:
 
 
 
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Re: A Russian View on the Soviet pullout of Afgh.
Reply #31 - Feb 18th, 2009, 2:10pm
 
Quote from Abu-Sayed on Feb 18th, 2009, 12:01pm:
Quote from HolyGoat on Feb 18th, 2009, 11:40am:
I wasn’t in Kandahar. For your information I was in Kabul, Mazar e Sharif, Jawzjan (Shiberghan), Baghlan (Pul e Khomri), Laghman and Jalalabad.


What were you doing in Mazar, Jozjan, and Kabul? Promoting the cause of the Naqleen?! Roll Eyes

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There the talk of Khar Asan was dead in general.


Grin Believe me HG, that no one would talk to you about Khorasan. I mean, you cannot even pronounce the word correctly. I guess it's because of the many retroflex sounds in your mother tongue, which you have inherited from your Dravidian forefathers. Anyway ... I can assure you, that the Khorasan movement is a big issue among people who really matter, not some unimportant Talib supporters who are afraid to live among their heroes and instead live the life of social parasites in the lands of their enemies. This not only includes important members of the current government, but also leading personalities in the media.

Since you were in Mazar, I am just anxious to know what you think of the many streets and squares that are named after Ferdowsi, Mowlana, and Zarathustra. Did you like it? Isn't it great that the people of Balkh have removed all Pashtun names and replaced them with pure Persian and Khorasani names?!  Grin The people of Balkh and Kabul may not talk about Khorasan to fundamentalist Talibi animals, but they surely love to discuss it among themselves. They know their enemies, and they know their friends. And let me tell you, HG, we are not their enemies ...  Cool

Yes, we all love him:

http://blog.phoenix.de/afghanistan/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/atta-mohammad-noor -kl.jpg

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As long as the issue of normalisation of US relations with Iran are concerned, it is not going to be changed over night. There are many different aspect of security are involved. The extreme nature of Akhondistan is taken into consideration we are safe to argue that it will take more than a message of change from Obama to make Iran a friendly nation. Last but not least don’t forget the impact of AIPAC and ADL in regard to Iranian and Israeli threats.


You are once again proving that you totally miss the "Zeitgeist", HG ... like all Pashtuns. Iranians began planning for the post-Akhund era many years ago, and they are almost done:

http://blog.hotelclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/flower-of-the-east-1.jpg
http://www.overseaspropertymall.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/tameer-towers-abu -dhabi4.jpg
http://www2.tu-berlin.de/presse/tui/05apr/jpg/12_arabien.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_of_the_east

Do you really think that Iran is building these places for the Akhunds?! Roll Eyes

Iran has the second largest known oil reserves and perhaps the largest gas fields. In 20 years from now, Iran and Russia will be the riches countries in the world. And the Iranians know that. Americans have already convinced the Iranians that they should give up their nuclear program for the sake of economic and social development. Both countries share the same political goals in Iraq, Central Asia, and Afghanistan - all America needs is to convince Iran that they are no threat in the region. Iran will open its economy and natural resources to world markets, and Americans will lift all their embargoes, the same way they have lifted them in regard of Libya.  

And you Awghans?! You will still be drinking water from same source you pi$$ in.

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Pashtuns are still winners, despite Karzai being a loser.


Yeah ... right.  Grin Do you want me to show you the map again?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/afghanistan/images/map-afghanistan- 2003.jpg

When the world thinks of Pashtun, it thinks of these people:

http://www.longwarjournal.org/images/Taliban-Leadership-Image.jpg

We should thank the Taliban of SWAT for their great service! No one is spreading more propaganda for the cause of Khorasan than your Pashtun heroes.  Cool


 
 
AS!
 
It is almost laughable to see how you get excited when the name of Khar Asan comes up. Before you make a fool of yourself, we both know that why I pronounce it Khar Asan. No reason to elucidate something which is already clear and obvious.
 
Naming the streets in Balkh in the names of Mawlana, Zarathustra and Ferdawsi shows our cultural maturity and we know that it is not only Iran which should take pride in these individuals. There have already been schools with the name of Ferdawsi and Maulana in Afghanistan. Zarathustra must be new. Let’s hope that they don’t try that person for blasphemy like Ghaus Zalmai and that kid Kambachsh.  
 
As far as the Post Akhondi Iran is concerned, we both know that it will remain a dream the same way as those animated sky rises. Keep dreaming! I assure you that in your life time, you will not see anything different than Akhonds in Iran. They are not going to be dislodged that easily from their position of power.
 
 
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Re: A Russian View on the Soviet pullout of Afgh.
Reply #32 - Feb 18th, 2009, 2:17pm
 
Quote from Abu-Sayed on Feb 18th, 2009, 12:01pm:
Quote from HolyGoat on Feb 18th, 2009, 11:40am:
I wasn’t in Kandahar. For your information I was in Kabul, Mazar e Sharif, Jawzjan (Shiberghan), Baghlan (Pul e Khomri), Laghman and Jalalabad.


What were you doing in Mazar, Jozjan, and Kabul? Promoting the cause of the Naqleen?! Roll Eyes


 

 
AS!
 
The only Naqeleen in north are the Central Asian immigrants who started coming to Afghanistan 130 years go an dwere definitely stopped during early 1930s. I am from Laghman but we have properties in North and in our country we are not considered Naqeleen. Whatever you say is just politically and racially motivated. Regardless of what you call us, we are in Northern Afghanistan and we a reality on the ground. Our existence there stops the very notion of building a phony baloney Kharasan.  Grin Grin Grin
 
 
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Quote from HolyGoat on Feb 18th, 2009, 2:10pm:
It is almost laughable to see how you get excited when the name of Khar Asan comes up.

 
It's laughable to see you people take pride in the most disgusting identity and culture that has every existed on the surface of this planet. I mean ... gosh ... I can't think of any one else who would take pride in this:
 

 
But you do. And the world laughs ...  
 
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Before you make a fool of yourself, we both know that why I pronounce it Khar Asan. No reason to elucidate something which is already clear and obvious.

 
No need to explode, HG. There are only two possible explanations: you cannot pronounce the word correctly, because the Dravidian sounds in Pashto (i.e. retroflex sounds, etc.) prevent you from pronouncing it correctly (as well know, Pashtuns have the most laughable accent when speaking Persian, comparable to Pakistanis speaking English), or you purposely pronounce it worng, because you cannot and do not want to be identified with the glorious civilization of Khorasan, the soil that gave birth to prodigies and geniuses like Mowlana, Avicenna, Khwarizmi, Farabi, and so forth.  
 
In any way, it proves your backwardism. But we really do not care. Since you do not belong to Khorasan and have nothing to do with it, it's totally irrelevant what you think of it. There are thousands of backward and disgusting terrorists barking at the civilized world - most of them belong to your people, clan, family. You are just one among many ... but Khorasan and the rest of the civilized world do not care. We will deal with you accordingly ... starting with B-52s bombing the sh*t out of your "wrors", "khors", and "mors". Next time you visit your people in Pakistani's camps, tell them I said hello Smiley
 
 
 
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Naming the streets in Balkh in the names of Mawlana, Zarathustra and Ferdawsi shows our cultural maturity and we know that it is not only Iran which should take pride in these individuals.

 
Your "cultural maturity" ... yours?! Muahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!  
 
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As far as the Post Akhondi Iran is concerned, we both know that it will remain a dream the same way as those animated sky rises. Keep dreaming!

 
You are missing the "Zeitgeist", HG. It's because you are a Pashtun Taliban ... I guess it's not good for you to drink water out of a source you pi$$ in. Let's take a look at the "Flower of the East":
 




 
Check the official web-site ...  
 

 
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I assure you that in your life time, you will not see anything different than Akhonds in Iran. They are not going to be dislodged that easily from their position of power.

 
No matter what they are, they are already 500 years ahead of you people ... I can tell you what you will not see in your life-time:  
 
- women rights among Pashtuns
- educated Pashtun women
- growth of economy in Pashtun areas
- eradication of Wahhabism and Talibism
 
And I can tell you what both of us will see:
 
- the growing partnership between Persian people
- the creation of Khorasan and Pashtunistan, perhaps even a civil war between Pashtuns/Taliban and Non-Pashtuns
- the immense wealth of Iranian oil and gas
- the rise of Persian nationalism
 
That's the reality ... and it is inevitable. You cannot prevent it, you can only slow it down, by cheering ball-lickers like Hamid Karzai and Ashraf Ghani as "Pashtun super-heroes".  
 
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Re: A Russian View on the Soviet pullout of Afgh.
Reply #34 - Feb 18th, 2009, 6:01pm
 
Quote from Abu-Sayed on Feb 18th, 2009, 3:17pm:
Quote from HolyGoat on Feb 18th, 2009, 2:10pm:
It is almost laughable to see how you get excited when the name of Khar Asan comes up.


It's laughable to see you people take pride in the most disgusting identity and culture that has every existed on the surface of this planet. I mean ... gosh ... I can't think of any one else who would take pride in this:

http://eldib.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/taliban_2_29.jpg

But you do. And the world laughs ...

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Before you make a fool of yourself, we both know that why I pronounce it Khar Asan. No reason to elucidate something which is already clear and obvious.


No need to explode, HG. There are only two possible explanations: you cannot pronounce the word correctly, because the Dravidian sounds in Pashto (i.e. retroflex sounds, etc.) prevent you from pronouncing it correctly (as well know, Pashtuns have the most laughable accent when speaking Persian, comparable to Pakistanis speaking English), or you purposely pronounce it worng, because you cannot and do not want to be identified with the glorious civilization of Khorasan, the soil that gave birth to prodigies and geniuses like Mowlana, Avicenna, Khwarizmi, Farabi, and so forth.

In any way, it proves your backwardism. But we really do not care. Since you do not belong to Khorasan and have nothing to do with it, it's totally irrelevant what you think of it. There are thousands of backward and disgusting terrorists barking at the civilized world - most of them belong to your people, clan, family. You are just one among many ... but Khorasan and the rest of the civilized world do not care. We will deal with you accordingly ... starting with B-52s bombing the sh*t out of your "wrors", "khors", and "mors". Next time you visit your people in Pakistani's camps, tell them I said hello Smiley

http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/00343/Pechawar_DW_Politik_343478g.jpg

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Naming the streets in Balkh in the names of Mawlana, Zarathustra and Ferdawsi shows our cultural maturity and we know that it is not only Iran which should take pride in these individuals.


Your "cultural maturity" ... yours?! Muahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

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As far as the Post Akhondi Iran is concerned, we both know that it will remain a dream the same way as those animated sky rises. Keep dreaming!


You are missing the "Zeitgeist", HG. It's because you are a Pashtun Taliban ... I guess it's not good for you to drink water out of a source you pi$$ in. Let's take a look at the "Flower of the East":

http://www.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/persianality/2007/05/16/Hotel_Darioush 500x375.JPG
http://www.payvand.com/news/07/nov/Dariush-Grand-Hotel-Kish2.jpg
http://www.amazee.com/files/widget/gallery/MarjanPark4.jpg
http://www.kishtpc.com/images/New%20Picture_%20kish/Hotel-Kish-Island.jpg

Check the official web-site ...

http://www.kish.ir/_DouranPortal/images/joghrafia/eghlim.jpg

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I assure you that in your life time, you will not see anything different than Akhonds in Iran. They are not going to be dislodged that easily from their position of power.


No matter what they are, they are already 500 years ahead of you people ... I can tell you what you will not see in your life-time:

- women rights among Pashtuns
- educated Pashtun women
- growth of economy in Pashtun areas
- eradication of Wahhabism and Talibism

And I can tell you what both of us will see:

- the growing partnership between Persian people
- the creation of Khorasan and Pashtunistan, perhaps even a civil war between Pashtuns/Taliban and Non-Pashtuns
- the immense wealth of Iranian oil and gas
- the rise of Persian nationalism

That's the reality ... and it is inevitable. You cannot prevent it, you can only slow it down, by cheering ball-lickers like Hamid Karzai and Ashraf Ghani as "Pashtun super-heroes".

We will enjoy the show ...  Cool

 
 

 
AS!
 
That is a nicely polished facade and we both know that behind that there is poverty, drug abuse, unemployment and child abuse and not to forget prostitution and violation of human rights.
 
 Your hollow propaganda works on those who lack profound information about the rotten Iranian society and Akhondi regime. Don’t try to sell to me because I am more up to date and more realistic than you are. Due to your blind obedience to Akhondism, you have lost touch with reality and chasing castles in the air, built by Akhonds.  
 
Let’s see the real face of Iran – free from propaganda.
 
 
 
Poverty in Iran
 








 
 
 
 
 
Student Rights
 







 
 
 
 
 
Children's right
 



 
 
 
 
Women's rights in Iran
 

 

 

 

 

 
 
 
 
Are you sure that we are talking about same country? To any human, Iran is a symbole of barbarism and terrorism.  
 
 
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Some of the sources:  
http://www.rottengods.com/2008_02_01_archive.html
http://peyvast.blog.com/2007/2/
http://www.wfafi.org/
http://freethoughts.splinder.com/post/8228209
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Re: A Russian View on the Soviet pullout of Afgh.
Reply #35 - Feb 18th, 2009, 6:14pm
 
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You need to stop your k=madari. You need to talk in the limit of thread. It has nothing to do with Iranians, your 'yAznas'!
 
By the way, can you say who is the father of Karzai son?
 
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Reply #36 - Feb 18th, 2009, 6:19pm
 
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Dear HolyKmadari:

You need to stop your k=madari. You need to talk in the limit of thread. It has nothing to do with Iranians, your 'yAznas'!

By the way, can you say who is the father of Karzai son?

Khaak

 

 
WD!
 
When someone licks the Iranian balls and offer you and the rest of your gang the same treat, it falls upon my shoulders to show you the real Iran. As long as being Yazna is concerned, you know very well that Iranians are more confortable in Khosorbora position.  Grin Grin Grin
 
Karzai's is the father and he may have even fathered your children as well. Check their DNA. If your dad is alife cross check ur DNA with his. You might be a victim of Rahim Ghulam Bacha's service to the royal court and your dad might not have fathered you. Wink
 
 
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When someone licks the Iranian balls and offer you and the rest of your gang the same treat, it falls upon my shoulders to show you the real Iran. As long as being Yazna is concerned, you know very well that Iranians are more confortable in Khosorbora position.  Grin Grin Grin

Karzai's is the father and he may have even fathered your children as well. Check their DNA. If your dad is alife cross check ur DNA with his. You might be a victim of Rahim Ghulam Bacha's service to the royal court and your dad might not have fathered you. Wink


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Dear HG:
 
How is the weather like in your neighborhood today?
 
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Reply #38 - Feb 18th, 2009, 6:41pm
 
Dear HG:
 
If I decide to make friendship with you right away, what would be your terms and conditions for making such a deal? What do you expect me to say to make you happy?
 
Please present your ideas in meaningful terms.
 
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Reply #39 - Feb 18th, 2009, 6:46pm
 
Quote from WatanDost on Feb 18th, 2009, 6:41pm:
Dear HG:

If I decide to make friendship with you right away, what would be your terms and conditions for making such a deal? What do you expect me to say to make you happy?

Please present your ideas in meaningful terms.

Khaak

 

 
 
WD!
 
Sorry dude! We are not here to make friends. This is a political forum and we express our views in context of democracy and civility. Sometimes, you leave that circle and joining the Akhonds in their level of speech and culture.
 
As long as you can stay away from those profanities and you show the ability to conduct a healthy debate, we will be okay. No need for friendship.
 
 
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WD!

Sorry dude! We are not here to make friends. This is a political forum and we express our views in context of democracy and civility. Sometimes, you leave that circle and joining the Akhonds in their level of speech and culture.

As long as you can stay away from those profanities and you show the ability to conduct a healthy debate, we will be okay. No need for friendship.


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Dear HG:
 
Tell me which part of my post # 38 shows profanities? It is you who put k=-madari words in my mouth under your #39 (Kamadari)!
 
Read carefully, what do you expect me to do to make the dialog with you healthy and productive?
 
Think and reply.
 
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WD!

Sorry dude! We are not here to make friends. This is a political forum and we express our views in context of democracy and civility. Sometimes, you leave that circle and joining the Akhonds in their level of speech and culture.

As long as you can stay away from those profanities and you show the ability to conduct a healthy debate, we will be okay. No need for friendship.


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HolyGoat



Dear HG:

Tell me which part of my post # 38 shows profanities? It is you who put k=-madari words in my mouth under your #39 (Kamadari)!

Read carefully, what do you expect me to do to make the dialog with you healthy and productive?

Think and reply.

Khaak

 
 

 
WD!
 
Sorry dude! My mistake!  
 
I have already established that you are intellectually and mentally unable to conduct a healthy and productive debate. The sad reality is that those words are alien to you. In future you conduct your debate the way please and I will try to be civilized as usual.
 
We don’t have to expect anything from someone like you with the low, rotten and decayed culture. I should have known better.  Cool
 
 
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Reply #42 - Feb 18th, 2009, 7:36pm
 
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Pashtun and DARI/PARSI speakers are like two brothers from on mother and fathers and we both are Aryans. Your propaganda and KMadari never will work and bring more hatred against some ethnic groups such a Hazara and Panjshiri.

Because of  the BINAMOOSI and KMadari of element like you the GOOD Hazara and GOOD Panjshiri will victimize and pay the price of your historic KMadari and foolishness.

Pashtuns and DARI/PARSI speakers are the owners and rulers of this land and they will exists till the end of stars and planet  and will lead our nation and our country to the 21st century. Stop KMadari, because you will make more hatred and enmity O CHUCHE KHAR WA AWLADE SAG!


Dear ZSK:

I really really get disappointed when I hear you believe: "Pashtun and DARI/PARSI speakers are like two brothers from on mother and fathers and we both are Aryans."

ZSK:

What happened to your commitment that we need to proceed in the limit of democracy and secularism in negation of tribalism. Do you understand the meaning of tribalism? It means you evaluate issues in the context of your family and tribe affairs. Suppose Pashtun and Dari/Farsi speakers were not like two brothers then what?

Also, you are putting some strange ideas together which should not be put together - Pashtun is an ethnic group and Dari/Farsi speakers are people who speak the language. Any Pashtun can be a Dari speaker. Which two things are you talking about. Who are these Dar/Farsi speakers who are brothers with Pashtuns? When you name Pashtun as an ethnic group, you should be able to name an ethnic group next to it to introduce them as brother. You cannot say Zanburak Shah Kabuli is brother of Zanburak Shah Kabuli!

Your idea is the best symptom of Afghanistan problem. All people who live in Afghanistan are labeled Afghans. Now tell me who are these all people? They must be clearly and openly introduced. You and I have discussed that you are not Tajek and it is imposed on you. You are an Aryan. That's a big big progress on your and my part in our talks. Now what is the reason you do not talk like this - Pashtuns and Arynas are brothers!

I am just curious to learn about your political and historical ideas. Abu_Sayed seems to be maneuvering more deeply. How would it be possible to swim with him in a deep ocean by talking about shallow river? He is busy in Atlantic Ocean affairs but you are busy from the analogy of Kabul River - where three months water flow in it and nine months dirt!

The bottom line is you need to proceed in the context of secularism and democracy where humanity is the core of issues. You as an human being belong to the whole humanity worldwide. That way you can establish normal relations with humanity worldwide including good relations with the ideas of Chairman Mao-tse-tung!

Khaak
Dear Khaak:
 
I mentioned and revealed the truths and I haven’t said something with out truths.
 
My comment has nothing to do with commitment and proceed of democracy and secularism in negation of tribalism. My remark is historically correct  and I pointed and targeted the  depths of  KMadari by Abu Sayed, because  he called all the Pashtun as Monkey from Suleiman mountain caves, do you support Abu KMadar comment or not?
 
Dear Khaak:
 
Beside you are showing concern about my comments please check Abu KMadar comments then be the judge!
 
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Reply #43 - Feb 18th, 2009, 8:21pm
 
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WD!

Sorry dude! My mistake!

I have already established that you are intellectually and mentally unable to conduct a healthy and productive debate. The sad reality is that those words are alien to you. In future you conduct your debate the way please and I will try to be civilized as usual.

We don’t have to expect anything from someone like you with the low, rotten and decayed culture. I should have known better.  Cool


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Dear HolyGoat:
 
To have a civil discussion you should appear with a civil name. HolyGoat is a k-=maderi name. How would it be possible to conduct a civil discussion under the logo of that name?
 
As a confirmed civil principle, it is just barbarism to reject an ethnic group collectively. Accordingly, today a colored Afro-American is ruling on the fate of the United States of America. When Obama was in school he was not allowed to enter the school where whites were in majority but today he got the fate of Americans and world in his hand!
 
To talk civil you need to submit your apology to Tajeks for your slander that Tajeks cannot rule Afghanistan. Your confirmation is based on your k=maderi to reject Tajek people because of thug Masood, Rabbani and Kalakani. In the same token no civil person should resort to the same manner of talks regarding Pashtun because of nominal thug Pashtun rulers in Afghanistan history.
 
Are you ready to have a civil and healthy discussion based on civility not your k=maderi?
 
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Reply #44 - Feb 18th, 2009, 8:33pm
 
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I mentioned and revealed the truths and I haven’t said something with out truths.

My comment has nothing to do with commitment and proceed of democracy and secularism in negation of tribalism. My remark is historically correct  and I pointed and targeted the  depths of  KMadari by Abu Sayed, because  he called all the Pashtun as Monkey from Suleiman mountain caves, do you support Abu KMadar comment or not?

Dear Khaak:

Beside you are showing concern about my comments please check Abu KMadar comments then be the judge!

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Dear ZSK:
 
I have evaluated Abu Kmadar comments more than enough. I never tried to be the judge. You and I simply exchange ideas. Neither I try to force you to accept my idea nor you should do that to me. It is great that we talk to know about each other idea.
 
You allege that you reveal the fact. Where did I deny that you do not do that. I simply said that there is not one fact on the face of the earth. When you want to reveal facts you also need to bear in mind which method you use to do that.  
 
Facts from a tribalist perspective is tribalism. Fact from a socialist perspective is socialism. Fact from a Muslim perspective is Islam. Fact from an imperialist perspective is imperialism. When you evaluate your relations with others on the basis blood like brothers and sisters, you automatically prove that you are under the influence of tribalism literature. In the US where you live now democrats do not call each other brother and sisters in their conversations. They address each other friends! The communists address each other comrade - an socialism literature .... and ... and ...
 
You alleged that Pashtuns and Farsi or Dari speakers are brothers. What immediately popped up in my mind was that every Pashtun can be a Farsi or Dari speaker. Dari speaker is not an ethnic group. Pashtun is an ethnic group. When you started your studies in the first class of your elementary school the teacher taught you that you cannot compare or add together things such as sheep with goat.
 
It is wrong to say - 2 sheep + 4 goat = 6 (what?!) You need to do it this way:
 
2 goat + 4 goat = 6 goats!
 
I do not know how to explain further. When you say you are Kabuli, you simply introduce your place of residence. You cannot say Kabuli and Hazaras are such and such. Every Hazara can be a Kabuli.
 
Have I cleared myself?
 
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